Bayfare in San Diego September 18, 19 & 20

Bayfare is coming up in less than a month. We took a poll at the Long Beach race and all of the current racers agreed that they were interested, so it looks to be a good turnout. The race will be held in Mission Bay, near Sea World. I am probably the only one of the current racers who has participated at this venue. The course is usually set up as a large rectangle, that has been "laid over" that is to say instead of 90 degree turns you will have two sharp turns and two shallow turns. It is a big course 1 &2/3 miles per lap and it is "big water" like Folsom for those of you who remember that one. It is challenging and will provide a real "workout" for both man and machine. It is a three day race, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday which is held in conjunction with the unlimited hydroplanes, so you will get to watch the "big boys" qualify and race.

Get your entry fee to Ross and the reservations made for the hotel rooms, There are some good deals to be had for the early birds and usually if you are caught "snoozing" it will catch up with your wallet. This will be a race that will be memorable, I know I will never forget my experience the first time I was on the water in San Diego.

Go to the APBA Racing website and click on the Upcoming events to print out the race circular to get the complete story. If you have questions you could call me, or post it here, and I will try to answer, or find the answer.

See you there!!

Propman's picture

Here is sharp turn at Long Beach
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Let's cut up some water in San Diego!!!

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Capnzee88's picture

The Sportsman Class has its first start with Greg Ronkainen entering his #129 boat at Long Beach. Greg has officially joined the Sportsman Class and has agreed to the rules as they are written. His boat with a new driver ran all 4 heats and did well enough to finish on the same lap as the winning boat in each heat. After a week-end of racing, Ronkainen's Sportsman has accumulated 500 points. Hopefully I can get the "88" Sportsman ready for San Diego and challenge Greg. There is an opening for more Sportsman boats and I expect this class to provide more interest to those who do not feel they can afford the expense associated with the faster COR boats. The rules are set and will not be changed except to comply with any COR rule changes that would make the Sportsman illegal. If you are interested in running and tabulating points as a Sportsman, you must register with myself and comply with all of the Sportsman rules. I am happy to send theses rules to any one interested in running this class.
Greg Ronkainen, owner #129 Sportsman 500 points
RodZapf, Sportsman Coordinator rodneyzapf@gmail.com

flying finn's picture

I registered my motor home for Bayfair so the COR group has
central place to hang out. If any driver wants to run the #129 Sportmans class, let me know. I would like both boats to run San Diego.

Capnzee88's picture

I have heard that SCOA is having their annual meeting to prepare the race schedule for next year. The meeting will be held at Scott Schatz next Saturday (5th of September?) starting at 12:00 noon. According to Vicki, this is the 3rd attempt at organizing a meeting. I believe SCOA has 4 dates at Bakersfield for next year. I am hoping that he continues his 50 lap "invitational" next year as well as including the COR boats. With a little interest, he may consider the COR boats with a 6 or 8 boat limit for close course racing??? Rod

Capnzee88's picture

I will not have the 88 boat ready for SeaFair and will not be in town. Duty calls me back to the Mid West on the 16th of September. Rod

Propman's picture

It must be a busy time of year, three boats dropped out of the the roster for San Diego, leaving me and Greg as the remaining boats. I called Ross and pulled the plug on the Bayfare Race. I was looking forward to it, I guess I'll concentrate on my Enduro preparations.......It would have been a good time.

007's picture

Time to get back to something more basic; easier to get a boat ready, safer, and more family oriented.

Baker343's picture

Working on my setup. Hope to run this with the Carranza's in the new formula sport class. Coolers included.

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45's picture

Does the cooler have to have a Lifeline and helmet restraints?

007's picture

I would like to claim those motors!

does it need the roll cage?

45's picture

My guess would be Yes on the cage. It must be bolted through the bottom of the cooler. Cans only in the cooler. A minimum of twelve cans for driver and rider. Cooler must have at least 50% of its surface covered in a bright color such as Orange or Yellow. This makes for a quick rescue operation if the cooler was to become separated from the boat.

plus all cans must be recyclable and returned for deposit!

45's picture

Keep it Fast and keep it Green.

Capnzee88's picture

The #88 boat is going to the river on Monday for a day of testing. After the shut down at Bakersfield and again while testing, we are hoping the problem is in the high end of the stator. Simply stops at 6 plus rrrr's then starts right up again at slow speed. All is in the hands of Apple Valley Marine. Rod

007's picture

Hope you get the #88 running in top form again.

Capnzee88's picture

Work'n on it! Now to get the ol'bod to stay together! Maybe get a co-driver.

Capnzee88's picture

Didn't mean to double post--mea culpa!

Capnzee88's picture

boat posting 78-79 mile per hour speeds ...what class should it be in to remain respectable? Does any one remember what the lap times were for the AVERAGE division II boats last year?, not the 90 mph hot dog?

007's picture

Just got to keep her running all day and you will be in the top 3.

Capnzee88's picture

Keeping it running is the trick, but what class would you suggest, or is there a choice? I would be happy with a 3rd place, but what division? Found the problem in the hi-speed circuit of the stator, Speed is same but now it keeps on running. 007, you are most familiar with the rules, where does the 88 boat fit in? Anyone? I'm totally unfamiliar with the Divisions this year.

007's picture

Ben is in charge of the rules again.
Division 2 is a 65.5 mph average lap bracket class for outboards or no faster than an 11 minute lap.
Division 4 is the 2.0 liter class.
Division 10 is unlimited outboard. I have sent my objection to the APBA because this class is way to fast.

Capnzee88's picture

It sounds like Division 4 is the "COR" class. Does anyone remember what these boats ran last year, as in lap time? All classes starting at one time? Whoa baby! Here we go.

007's picture

Most of div 4 were running in the 9:15 to 10:00 range, although the 234 was fast qualifier and much faster than the rest of the field.

Capnzee88's picture

Who was that masked man driving the 234 boat? Thanks for the info. Last question, I need a couple of rooms at the resort. Any one got a room on hold that they are willing to let go of?
Rod

Propman's picture

I have lots of experience, but it could be boiled down to this: Take your top speed of the boat subtract 8 to 10 mph this will be your app. average speed at Parker on the 12 mile course. I'm guessing that average time will be be somewhere near ten minutes, or 72 mph. This sounds easy until you realize the top speed will be 81 mph on boats in contention for a 72 mph class. Also remember that the slower the class this difference gets smaller i.e. 65 mph class will have a top speed near 72 mph.

I would agree with Mike, boats with no rules (unlimited class) except for an average speed of 100 mph will have to spend much of the race at 113 to 115 mph. I can tell you from experience that there is very little reaction time for a driver doing 115 when he comes up on a 65 mph boat doing something stupid. It is not the skills of the ultra fast drivers that are in question, it is the logic of putting rookies on the same water in much slower boats that I would question. One rule seems to always be true, if there is a crash all racers suffer the consequences, not just the racers involved in the incident.

Propman's picture

I hope I'm not the only one who has thought this out. So imagine this: half the COR field will be able to go faster than the "breakout speed" so if every lap is timed, on the first lap the top half will limit their speed such that they come close, but don't exceed the breakout speed/time. So at the first start finish line crossing forseeably the top half of the field will cross the line at the very same time. Now the field will be "locked" together, they won't be able to pull away from the field because they will breakout, they will be unwilling to slow down because any time lost on the front runners can never be regained. The finish of each lap will be like a game of "chicken" with the clock. If there is some safety in endurance racing it may be that the field is spread out over 12 miles of river, this contest will force the class leaders into bunches which will be like a flag start for 338 miles, imagine doing this on a winding river at 80 mph and maintaining 20 foot spacing and 100 foot safe zones---that should work shouldn't it?

If we take this idea further, imagine other classes will bunch up, faster class bunches will have to lap slower class bunches. I can see the river getting smaller and the potential for an accident getting greater, especially if this "en masse pass" happens at the start finish line.

Hopefully, Ben and Dave have all this worked out, but I'm not holding my breath.

Capnzee88's picture

How many dancers are we expecting in this shindig?

007's picture

I agree with Kevin and have spoken to Ben at least twice on the issues with using average qualifying times. Ben contests that he did the right thing by using average qualifying times to make sure one inboard does not go out a set a lap time that can't be run all day. Hence taking the inboards out of contention for the overall. If you don't see me at the race (poker run), this will be one of the reasons.

Capnzee88's picture

If I understand the concept correctly, all boats will make a "timed" run in accordance with the Division they are signed up for. The "handicap" for the Division will be based on the average time of the fastest and slowest timed runs within that Division. eg: Div. 4: The fastest Div 4 boat runs the course in 9:30:00 and the slowest Div.4 boat runs it in 10:30:00 making an average time of 10:00:00. Thereafter, the handicap will be set for Div. 4 at 10:00:00. Any Div.4 boat that runs a lap faster than 10:00:00 is thereby penalyized??? Do I have it right? wow! If I do, you fast guys better have communications on board and a timer on the beach. (Won't hurt me, I can just run wide open and not worry-It pays to be slow if I can just stay running). Of course, the timed runs are made in "controlled" water and the rough water in the actual race will/should be an equalizer.

007's picture

They also state that they are going to "throw-out" the fastest and slowest boat from the average. The result is the nearly the same, I believe the top half of the field will have to run in a bracket to avoid going over the speed limit?

Capnzee88's picture

It looks like there are around 25 boats currently registered. If the current entry fee holds, I can't imagine a large number of entries on race day. Around $10,000 in entries collected so far. Are starting positions up for grabs as they were last year? I recall hearing about a really stupid lead boat taking half the boats out by heading across the river instead of down the river at the start, I hope this is being addressed this year. Could be hear say but worth mentioning especially with the speed differences. Maybe let the fast boats with the "seasoned" drivers start at the front of the pack??

Baker343's picture

Heading out Wed with the house car and Baker in tow. Will be fine tuning at Bandyland. 80mph and 10min laps is what the Baker ran last year. Might have to go back to that setup.

Capnzee88's picture

The 88 boat is heading out today, overnighting at Wallie World in Palm Springs and getting an early start Thursday morning. 343, you make a good "target", best the 88 boat could do was 10 min 15 sec laps if memory serves me correctly. Best I could do was 78, but hope to get another mile or two with help from Johnny S.

Capnzee88's picture

Congratulations to the 234 boat for winning Division 4 at the Parker 336 Enduro, in fact, congratulations to all of the "COR" boats who ran at Parker. As usual the race was exciting and took it's toll on a lot of boats . I would like to take the opportunity to thank all of the folks who helped the "88" boat get to the 2nd place podium finish. It was announced that we were the only boat that did not have a sponsor. This was not quite true; Apple Valley marine spent a "life time" of hours, sorting out the mechanical problems the engine had prior to the race, including two trips to the river to ensure the engine was "ready to go" 300 plus miles. Micky as engine expert, Vicki as tow driver and Brittany as "water puppy". We were all "family" as son Eric co-drove with me, son Evan as set up and tear down man, son-in-law Patrick as "water puppy" no.2 and wives and 4 grand children (under 4 yrs) in the cheering section. This was really one of the grand old races and WAS to be my last. I really enjoyed running the STV, it handled beautifully, was fast and it would be a shame to put her out to pasture. Again, thank you all, Apple Valley Marine for the time and expertise you contributed to keep'r running and the rest of the family for pitching in. It was what boatracing is supposed to be, a fun, family affair! Rod

Capnzee88's picture

I don't want to tie up this web site but it would seem only natural to take the time to thank the officials and workers who made the Parker 336 the success it was. River Dave, Dave Rankin and Ben Marrone (sp?) were on top of their game through out the entire program, easy to work with, gracious, understanding. The announcer did a nice job of moving people off the beach without becoming offensive, up dating the race progress etc. The Race meetings were short and to the point and best of all, the awards meeting in the evening was made more exciting by the cash given out along with the trophies, can you imagine that? There were some mistakes as can be expected but there were a lot more good things happening and I want to thank all of you for your very hard work before, during and after the race. As I left the pits on Monday morning, there was Ben Marrone, picking up sticks and clearing the area. These guys have such an unrewarding job, I hope that everyone involved in the race sends them a vote of thanks whether it be by phone, letter, email or all of the above. THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR HARD AND OFTEN UNREWARDING WORK!!! There are givers and takers, I would like to think I have been on both sides! Sincerely, Rod Zapf