Spring Classic next weekend MAY 2,3 2015

Everyone is invited to this fair and open competition. Get your entry in. This should be a good time for everyone, we always have a good time at this race.

05's picture

Hope that you all can make it. anyone, anyone??

05's picture

how many boats are going to Parker??

Baker343's picture

Team Baker will be at the Spring Classic. Questions, are we on the race schedule, who's attending the race, are the gentlemen rules still in affect in regards to the head displacement, has any other rules been changed. Do we have to wear the helmet support system. Thanks Keith B.

flying finn's picture

#128 is in. 26cc heads, 1550 lbs with driver, all three of us have being using the helmet restraints. Looking forward to seeing you out there again to help build up the COR class and to have some great racing. Thanks to you Keith. Greg

flying finn's picture

We all had a great time this last weekend. The COR class is coming back stronger each event. This was the third race of the season. We had a new guy racing named Larry. But he sure looked like Keith. We pitted together, helped each other out and had some really good racing. The COR family stuck together. Many people said our races were some of the closest racing. The boats again were very closely matched. Conditions got very rough on the last race each day and made things very tough in the turns. I think all of us are doing a much better job out there racing with more improvements to come. Unfortunately, the GMT is not the best rough water boat. I had a 2th, 3th and two 4ths and ended up 4th over all. Kevin was first, Bandy second and Emilio third. And Larry(Keith?) got Lifeline to hand deliver his helmet restraint in time for the first race. Finally, Emilio showed us how to race without drain plugs on the last race. LOL

Propman's picture

Hey Guys I got some new gopros, and a lot of race action from the Spring Classic last weekend. Anna had the video going from the shore, there is some stuff from Emilio's boat, so even if you didn't attend or race you can get your "race fix" right here.

Heat one 234 front view https://youtu.be/27SJILPikuw
Heat two 234 front view https://youtu.be/tZR308nL5zw
Heat three https://youtu.be/YnXLR_Vhdlw
Heat four https://youtu.be/CRawque7OdI

Heat 1 234 rear view https://youtu.be/GnNcmO3kQc0
H 2............. https://youtu.be/PASZuvlsisA
H3.................. https://youtu.be/9Vy0Jp9SajE
H4.................... https://youtu.be/vTo10I_jJQc

Propman's picture

Here is some stuff from Anna from the shore

heat 1 https://youtu.be/VWLaYMM6YCs
heat 2 https://youtu.be/dcRYIxuf-HE
heat 3 https://youtu.be/qpPMWKza3OY
heat 4 https://youtu.be/zkbNBofEWZ8

Some stuff from Emilio's boat--if he could just figure out how to keep that motor in place and put the plugs in, he might have a future in this sport.

https://youtu.be/qpPMWKza3OY
https://youtu.be/eNMXB0j5j3g
https://youtu.be/SHbljW5B1rg

You will have to guess which race each of these shows.

There was some really great deck to deck racing by a bunch of guys who had some fun this weekend.

Propman's picture

For those astute, you found all these videos on my youtube channel. You can search for it on youtube finding things like "Kevin Taylor" "COR racing" "234" Once found, you might subscribe to the channel, then you can stay updated on Team 234 and Team Mijares. You can even write critical comments about my driving skills under the videos----just try to keep it civil guys...

007's picture

How are you addressing the hooking issue?

Capnzee88's picture

OR is the "hook" being addressed as in what causes a hook? A definition of a hook or spin-out might be: an uncontrolled rapid turn of a boat to the right or left. The "key" word would be UNCONTROLLED. I believe there are numerous causes to uncontrolled hooks/spins in which the bow of the boat becomes the main steering point versus the engine skeg and/or lower unit. The bow of the boat, digging into the water could be caused by:1over driving in rough water 2. too much down trim causing the bow to dig into the water 3. boat balance 4.driver error. As you can see, all of these tendencies in which the bow of the boat dictating the direction of travel of the boat are dangerous as the result is loss of control. One of the midwest classes of racing boats does not allow trim while underway because of the tendency to over trim in the negative, driving the nose down and the stern to rise as a result, causing the classic spin-out. I was told that the original builder of the STV "bolted" his engines so that no more than 1 degree of negative trim could be obtained. My first ride in an STV proved this to be true and It was driver error--I over negative trimmed. The first thing a noted "spinner" needs to admit is that he, as a driver, is having a problem. There appeared to be 3 or 4 uncontrolled spins in the videos shown, one nearly causing an accident as it was "touch and go", this with only a 4 boat field fairly spread out on the course. The week prior, at Bakersfield "Invitationals" an 8 boat field with no hooks/spin-outs--you figure. I believe every driver must take a look at the negative trim on his set-up and reduce it as necessary for a safe ride by "bolting" the trim so that it cannot trim under to the point where it hooks. Another lesson to be gained from a "hooking" boat is that a boat following the "hooked" boat into the turn should go to the outside of the boat that is out of control unless it is completely safe to stay inside. To my knowledge, we have had two of these incidents and in each one, the boat attempting to go inside made contact with the other boat. This is only my opinion, but any time a boat becomes "uncontrollable" it also becomes a danger not only to the driver but to other boats on the course. I jumped on this only because DelTaco mentioned it and he of course, being more politically correct___ I do think it needs to be addressed on an informal basis. If you can't trust the driver you are going into the turn with, it takes the fun out of the game. The only "controlled" spins I know of are performed by the NASCAR drivers after winning and before entering the winners circle. I don't think any of the other drivers would attempt to go by them during this performance. or, I have seen jet boats deliberately spin while alone on the water. Rod #88

Propman's picture

I have lots of thoughts on this, but would like to preface my remarks by saying we all have hooked a boat, and trying to legislate a solution would be difficult. I assume we are talking about Emilio and it is my belief that he has a mechanical problem. If you guys watch the videos of his motor you will see the motor shudder on the clamp bracket, in particular the tilt tube as he goes through the turn. If you notice also it is more like a pirawet sp? than a hook. I have spoken with Emilio and he and I will address this before the next race.
I would be happy to entertain rule proposals if someone can craft a rule that might be effective to address this broad issue, or even one facet of it. Are we ready to toss someone out if we feel his equipment is too worn out, and how do we judge that? How can the referee or the inspector judge that?

Lastly I would certainly agree that it is a lot more fun racing knowing you can go into a corner and trust your fellow competitor not to do something stupid either overtly or inadvertently.

Capnzee88's picture

Could "soft" or worn engine mounts versus solid mounts cause a boat to Hook? I would think that it could contribute to a hooking tendency. Emilio was not the only boat to hook during the last event.

007's picture

Are the negative trim and setback limits being enforced? We know those two things are not the ultimate solutions but they can help reduce the problem.

Baker343's picture

I'm assuming from your lack of action or direction on this very important juncture in our COR class that you are using all of your experience and knowledge to make a sound and proper decision.
I'm also assuming from the lack of communications to me, the new guy who some how avoid another possible disaster that you have everything under control. I hope we are not masking driving patterns with set up issues. Lastly, I think we should be using this site to promote and grow our class (Great in Boat Videos) not to handle all of our reoccurring issues. Remember, we voted you in to make the sometimes unpopular but correct decisions for the SAFETY of all members and future of our class.
Keith B.

Propman's picture

I believe you are correct; this site should be used to promote our class and not to to air our problems, grudges, or have a public fight. I am sad to say that I have been drawn into such fights, and sadder to admit that it has done nothing to promote sportsman like actions either on or off the racecourse.

I have resolved this year to make anything I post both positive and constructive. Please do not take my non-posting as a sign that I do not care about the safety of COR racing, and the well being of racing drivers. I would ask you to realize instead that this forum is not the correct, nor productive, way to handle our problems, and as such, I have not commented on these "calls to action."

Lastly, take the fact that I haven't called you privately to discuss your driving as a sign that you are a very good driver despite your inexperience as COR racer.

nuff said

"the experienced one"

05's picture

I was out of the country for the last 12 days and i didn't have the time to review the tapes until now. Firth thing I notice on the video facing back is the movement of the engine or engine bracket ( tilt tube, ) and the trim oil on my driveway, I don't consider my self an aggressive driver or at list no any more than all of you, I am as competitive as all of you. I can assure you that the mechanical issues will be address properly for the next race, I had spend $1,500.00 on the power steering since thanksgiving thinking that my cable system was the problem, unfortunately do to multiple conflicts with work schedule I did not had the time to practice as much as I should, I am not making any excuses for my equipment or my driving skills, we all have issues and we need to work on them, mechanically, boat setup, weight distribution, driving skills and all, all "constructive comments", suggestions and/or experiences are welcome. I'LL SEE YOU ALL AT LONG BEACH. or at any of the future practice sessions at Willow beach must Sundays at 10.00 am
702-328-6289
Emijares@harrahs.com

STV_Keith's picture

Missed you Sunday Emilio. Water was B-E-A-utiful in Lake Mohave...

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Capnzee88's picture

It is with sadness that I report the loss of my old room mate, friend, professional APBA servant, Bill Boyes. Bill and I met many years ago, working for TWA. With our mutual interest in boat racing and work, as bachelors we might as well room together. Bill was a master wood worker, building boats in the DeSilva boat shop. We decided to build a "D" runabout. The boat ran successfully in class "C", 36ci, "D" and "F". A few years later I bought one of Bill's first inboards, a 280 named Skoshi Tiger. Then Bill decided to build a new, rather innovative 280, we called it Tiger II. Bill was always proud of his work. When asked why he was
cleaning the glue from under the decks where no one sees it Bill would say, "Because I know it was there". Bill built and raced boats under the very careful eye of his mother. She would always say, "Bill have you checked the spark plugs?" and Bill would always answer, "Mother, Please!" This became the name of his boat. Bill and I had wonderful days, living together in Manhattan Beach where he met and married Kay a stewardess for TWA. Working for TWA was great! Bill was good at what he did, becoming manager of San Francisco's TWA maintenance base. He introduced Kay to boat racing and APBA. Together, the two of them have worked their hearts out for the boat racers, Bill as region chairman, Kay as chief scorer. Region 11 will suffer most for the loss of Bill, however, all of APBA will suffer with them. I in particular always went to Bill and Kay for support in the many problems incurred over our boat racing careers that extended, as a team, over 40 years. Bill, Kay, Mary and I stayed an extra day last month after the Bakersfield race. We enjoyed a drink, light dinner and a final evening together -thank God we stayed! Bill, I will miss the good, the boat racing, the time we had together but I will always hold the wonderful memories we shared close to my heart. Rod

sorry to read this, God Speed to Bill and God Bless and Comfort you, Kay, and Mary in this very sad time. Live Life, enjoy all you have!

007's picture

Sad news. RIP Bill Boyes. Thanks for sharing the great memories Rod.

flying finn's picture

I talked to Bill last week and asked him if he would put the COR's on the schedule for Salt Springs. He told me that he would approve it. But I needed to talk to the race director. He said "you know, we just need boats". Then he said, if you have any problems, let me know. I talked to the race director and found out Tuesday we were on the schedule. Thanks Bill, God bless & RIP.

Baker343's picture

Rod, sorry for the loss of your long time friend and racing comrade.
I enjoyed meeting Bill and sharing a few beverages in Cooperopolis.

Capnzee88's picture

I believe there will be a memorial service for Bill at the next Cooperopolis race and/or Menden. The COR boats will be on all of the region 11 races as long as we show an interest and care to travel to them.