Marathon Races

Back in the 1970's and 1980's, marathons where a big part of outboard pleasure craft racing and some of the most memorable. So, I am looking to see if we can add a few additional races to our region in the form of marathons. These would be either 1 hour timed single race marathons or distance races anywhere from 100 to 300 miles per race. As with the Enduro safety zones would be in place, with no passing in the corners. I believe APBA would continue to sanction Div II boats under this format using Div II rules. We may have an opportunity here... Any interest?

007's picture

Any interested in marathon racing?

Propman's picture

where and when

Kevin

05's picture

San Diego (Point Loma) to Los Angeles (Long beach), lets do it!!!!

007's picture

SCOA says they want to do this and include Div 2, Div 4, and Div 5 rules. I think things will start to develop after thanksgiving. I like Emilio's idea! But I think the race course might be Elsinore, Buena Vista, Parker. They are also talking about doing UIM world records in conjunction with the event.

007's picture

This idea is becoming a reality. Water has been secured. April 25th, 2015 will be the first race of our new Marathon Series. We will run in conjunction with the stock outboards. This first race will be an invitational race only. This will be a 50 lap race on a large closed course. Similar rules to past Parker Enduro races will be issued shortly. Like past Enduros, this is not a COR race. There will be no COR points. 2-Liters will be included. We are in the process of drafting the rules and they will need to be approved by the APBA.

007's picture

The first race of our Marathon Racing Series is confirmed for Saturday April 25th at Lake Ming in Bakersfield, Calif.

As the first race in a pilot series, this is a Special Event invitational race only. There will be a mix of outboards and inboards and a max of around 8 boats. Race distance will be 50 laps, run time will be around 1 hour. No mandatory pit stops.

Classes are similar to the Parker Enduro rules and will be posted shortly. Once we prove our concept, we will expand this Marathon Series out to 3 races per year.

We are going back to the root of the original endurance racing series that started back in the 1960s. This is intend to be a fun race with safety zones between boats.

For more information, please email us at info@corboatracing.com

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flying finn's picture

A lot of confusion on this race. 1. None of the running COR boats this season have been "invited". 2. A marathon is for a long coarse which cuts down on the number of turns. A marathon at Bakersfield will just be a regular race with 50 laps instead of 5 or 10. There will be 100 corners to turn. There is no extra safety there, red zones or not. 3. The conditions will be really rough as the water will never settle down. 4. COR class has spend alot of time and money retrofitting our boats to APBA standards, why is APBA allowing DIV 2 boats that don't comply to the new rules in a short track race that COR boats would run in normally? 5. I think that having mini marathons is a good idea, but they should on a large, longer body of water like "in the old days". And they should be open to all competitors. Sure sounds like double standards.

007's picture

Good thinking. When are you going to put on the race?

Capnzee88's picture

The April 25th race at Bakersfield is an invitational. Why invitational? It is a "test" case, concept race or whatever. It is being run to see if the "idea" works and whether it can be run successfully and without "hitches". There fore the drivers and boats selected to run are based on past performances such as relationship with the officials, incidents/accidents by the individual drivers, safety records on the beach as well as on the water. The sponsors of this race are looking for a successful, well run marathon and have taken the steps to remove some of the elements that might "jinx" what could become a revival of past marathon racing. By selecting the competition for this proto-race, the sponsors have, in effect, bought insurance towards it's success with the officials, APBA and the future. If you are not invited, you might ask "why"?, then think about it., do you have a history? The above is certainly not official, it does not come from any of the officials, just my thoughts.

STV_Keith's picture

So who has been invited?

Keith-

05's picture

The # 04 Baker a LEGAL and SAFE COR boat, will like to be invited to this race. It's not the fastest COR boat out there but comply with all APBA rules, Boat and driver can be competitive but safe at the same time. whit 3 boats on hand is hard to watch from the sideline, my goal for this year is to get 2 of this COR boats running on every race "Drivers wanted"
In order to promote Endurance racing I think is important to have a rep from every class.

Thank you.

007's picture

These all very good questions and are best reserved for the race director, Scott Schatz. At the same time, I think it is obvious from an outside perspective; if you overly challenge a race director on rules, question their judgement in a public forum, call over their head to the APBA, or state you would not support them... these might be items a race director or promoter would not want to contend with at the earliest stages of developing a new series.

Capnzee88's picture

If you have not been invited to run in the race, it may be time for an examination of your own conscience. Have you been involved in problems on the course, on the beach, at the officials stand? 007 makes it pretty clear. As race director, Scott Schatz has every right to run an invitational race. If you didn't "make the cut" you might take a long look at your self and your personal history with COR. Look in the mirror, then ask yourself: How many accidents/incidents have I been in? How many times have I "charged" the officials stand? How many times have I caused problems in the pits? How many times have I griped about the officiating claiming video proof? Am I the reason I haven't been invited? Am I willing to face the facts and approach the next race with a different attitude? I personally support the April 25th race at Bakersfield and the decisions of the Race Director. Rod

45's picture

Here's a cool GMT. Would make a good Marathon boat

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/boa/4900527756.html

007's picture

The 88 sportsman, the intimidator, the captain of love, the original doctor dirty, is ready to go! "Bakersfield here we come! 25 gals oughta get me 50 miles!" - Rod

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007's picture

After 50 grueling laps, you boys are going to want tacos, so how do you get tacos? Simple, the Del Taco team is sponsoring this race, our first big time sponsor, with free tacos (from the buck and under menu) to all marathon finishers!

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Capnzee88's picture

That is a great offer from the TACO team. It pays to keep your nose clean. Question: Free tacos to all who finish, What if I'm finished after 30 miles? I've finished?? At my age sometimes things seem funnier than others. My question is in jest! Looking forward to a great time, Bakersfield is as great a venue as you can find. Rod

007's picture

Everybody in the marthon gets tacos, as long as you start the race!

007's picture

Marathon racers, please get your Special Event entries in... New online form is on the SCOA site, enter now, pay at the race site. http://www.scoa.club/race-entry/register/

Bandit126's picture

Attn Drivers: let's get those entry form in for the invatational by April 20,2015 use our new website for SCOAhttp://www.scoa.club/race-entry/register/

Vicki Schwarzenbach

05's picture

:( I forgot I not "special"!! :( My boats will have to be dry and My money in my wallet, COR Boats for sale ( #05, #04, And the #9) anyone??? or trade for a Bass boat. all for sale 2.0 blocks, Mercury lower units and more.

007's picture

Del Taco time!

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007's picture

Recent spy photos show The 343 driver Keith Bandy making off with a new 2.0 liter powerhead.

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007's picture

Del Taco is running lean but ready to go!

Capnzee88's picture

To my knowledge, the field has been set for the Bakersfield marathon. I know that the race is short on workers and officials. Vicki has been working her tail off and once at the races, she will be looking for whomever is willing to help. There will be a need for turn judges, launch officials, vehicles etc. In the past few weeks there has been a lot of "squawking" from some who have not been invited to run. I'm sure the race/safety director has a reason. My thoughts are that those who have not been invited to run offer their services to the race committee in an effort to "mend the fences" with the officials. There will be more races and more invitationals in the future, all pending on the success at Bakersfield. If you want to be a part of the future of marathon racing, an examination of conscience into the past and an offer to help in the future may pay dividends to those willing to participate. Been in boat racing a long time and know that a little "honey" works better than an attitude. This post was not prompted by any of the race officials, it is simply a personal thought. Rod

would be willing to help but 3000 miles kind of puts me unavailable! Rod, I would add for all to see the big picture and can the egoes!!

Capnzee88's picture

Good point, egos go a long way in both directions! Any helper/racers with small egos out there..? Rod

007's picture

The marathon is set for this coming weekend. Drivers meeting is scheduled for 8:00 AM on Saturday at Lake Ming.

Safety zones between boats will be in effect & covered at the drivers meeting.

Lanes will drawn for a modified Le Mans style beach start.

Pits stops are allowed but not mandatory. Driver changes and small adjustments to boats are allowed on the beach. Fuel is NOT allowed on the beach or in the water, no exceptions. The proper procedure for safely exiting and re-entering the race course will be covered at the drivers meeting.

Marathon boats will get a short test session in the morning with time to make adjustments before the 50-lap event.

Capnzee88's picture

The family and I took a short vacation to our mid-west camp on the Mississippi. Back again and found that friends came over and "prepped" the 88 Sportsman for the upcoming 50 lapper. Now all I need to do is add 20 gals of fuel to the "stocker" and go for it. Thanks guys for the work you did for me, just like the ol'days of family fun. I'll bring an extra beer or two for all the help. and Vicki, I got your hotel room. My way of thanking you for the work you do for all of us! Rod

007's picture

That's what boat racing is all about, friends, family, and a good time. With the right support from members of the interested boat racing community, marathon racing will be a bigger success.

007's picture

We have a full field of 8 boats scheduled for the marathon, 5 outboards and 3 v-drives. If the APBA deems this race a success and our SCOA club breaks even or makes money, there will be 3-4 non-invitational marathon races planned over the next 12-18 months. To Rod's earlier points, we need people to lean in and support the race whether you have a wet boat or not in this particular event.

Capnzee88's picture

just washed the #88 Sportsman, now I'm wondering--Is Lake Ming a "dry" boat lake like Puddingstone? Don't know for sure if I can get it dry enough for their kind of inspection. Mike, can you respond to this?

007's picture

I don't think so but I would leave the drain plugs out for the road trip just in case.

Capnzee88's picture

The $1800 dollar "claimer", #88 SPORTSMAN is ready to run it's first race in competition against the "big money" 2.0's in the Bakersfield "Invitational". Interesting to see how the "stocker" stacks up. Can this "parts" engine last for 50 miles at WOT? The "claimer" class is being offered in the same manner as the COR class was originally envisioned: A low cost class of racing with speeds at or around 80 mph. A SPORTSMAN has achieved a speed of 76 mph so we are in the original "ball park". With the inaugaration of the Sportsman Class we will support the COR's, maybe even save the class, by once again offering a low cost engine and overall entry cost for folks who don't own their own machine shops and just want to have fun again. See you all on the course, have fun, drive safe and enjoy the week-end. Rod

007's picture

DelTaco is in for the claimer class with the junk parts SST 120. Looking forward to a Sportsman run. See you all in the am.

05's picture

I hope to see you all in Parker next week. The #04 will be ready for it,

007's picture

Thank you Emilio. Best wishes next weekend. Hope the marathon is success and we have more race time for everybody in the future.

007's picture

It was a race of attrition today at our first marathon race. 2 v-drives took to the water to challenge 5 outboards. And the first 10 laps were some of the closest and safest racing yet. The inboards challenged from the outside while the outboards stayed in close. Sounded like a supercharger on the GN who at one point challenges for the lead. Safety zones where in effect but that did not deter lots action packed passing action. Eventually, the lucas oil #86 quarter shot took the win follows by the #343 baker and the #5 del taco gmt (with two blown cylinders). All other boats fought hard at one point in the race but did not finish. Thanks to all the drivers for their sportsmanship and competitive racing. Thanks to SCOA, the officials, safety crew, and Scott Schatz. Thanks to Rod for bbqing hot dogs for the drivers. We are looking forward to doing it again soon.

007's picture

We had two claimers enter our first marathon race in the sportsman class but no takers. I still have one claimer for sale, nice 2.0 liter ready to win at $1,800. Includes light weight flywheel and forged pistons, low hours, 205 hp on dyno!

On another note, a big thank you to SCOA for bring our new race format to life and for the coolest trophies.

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007's picture

Own a piece of history and get into Marathon racing, the front running Del Taco is for sale complete and ready to run less powerhead. 15" mid, cle, race cowl, race steering, gauges, everything! Less powerhead. $6,000.

007's picture

Here are a few shots of the outboard marathon boats at Ming Lake from this past Saturday.

Pictured below:
#5 Del Taco GMT
#343 Baker SST
#86 Lucas Oil Quarter Shot
#88 Hydrostream HST
#45 Sleekcraft SST

Please post or send more photos and videos to follow.

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Capnzee88's picture

The "claimer" didn't last long, but it didn't break either, just seemed to slowly roll over and die. While it lasted, it hung on to it's position, a little less than a half lap back. The race was called early because of engine break-downs but was it ever fun while it lasted. I can certainly see more of the marathon type races in my future, the "invitational" would seem to be a great way to go! Also, Scott, congratulations on setting a world speed record in the upper north west. Don't know any of the details as of yet. I want to commend your race committee, (I know you couldn't be in both places). They did a fine job with such important races to be run and completed on both days. Thanks also for whomever negotiated the $50 dollar week-end camping fee, that was quite a surprise, it seems we paid that much per night in the past. Another whopper of a surprise was the GREAT beer/pizza/hot dog/potato salad and more party in honor of "Curly Williams". Thank you to all who contributed whether it be on the official's stand, in a boat, carrying a boat, setting up the party or cleaning up afterwards. IT WAS LIKE OLD TIME BOAT RACING ONCE AGAIN! As an old time boat racer, I love "old time boat racing." Rod

Capnzee88's picture

The Del Taco ran as fast on 4 cylinders as the #88 did on six. Great Sportsmanship Mike, going out there with a known "dead" cylinder or did you change powerheads while the rest of us were chewing on hot dogs. Johnny Soares did pack some "heat" under the cowling of his #86 boat, I'm sure that was not one of the two claimers being run. The reason I know is because I know Johnny and he didn't have a Sportsman sticker on the side of the boat. The 88 is down for service and will not make Parker. APBA should be satisfied with the results from the Div. 2 boats on Saturday and approve future races. Rod As an add-on, Greg Ronkainen just called and offered me his Sportsman engine for Parker. Another great example of sportsmanship. Thanks Greg but I have plans for the 88 boat this week-end.

007's picture

Yes! I had such a great time, old time marathon racing for sure! Great sportsmanship on the racetrack and in the pits. Great BBQ, thanks to Rod!

For the race, we cleaned the junk out of the blown hole, loaded the blown motor up with oil, and hit the flag start square and got one last good burst out of her. I was going to pull in after a few laps but with that turbo diesel coming around the outside I stayed out for another lap, then I saw other boats dropping out, so I hung in there to collect laps and got lucky.

Capnzee88's picture

If you can't beat'm, feed'm. Great clean race.

007's picture

And I owe you guys some taco's as well. How about a taco fun day of boating out at the river?

Baker343's picture

I'm willing to open up the secret testing grounds of Bandyland for all weedwackers to throw down laps and taco's.

G_MAN's picture

That's one thing this sport of boating does have that not many others do......... Comradery a feeling of trust, a bond created by a shared goal or experience — you don't have to be best friends with everyone in the group to know you have their support. Just gotta love it..........I do.

Gary

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Suck and blow boats invited to Bandyland?

007's picture

I spoke with Kevin about our Marathon Series for next year. I was encouraged to hear Kevin's support. I am still intent on working with the newly elected and appointed officials within the APBA to put a new program in place so we can run safe, hour long races. Unlike the invitational, all boats and drivers (that meet the rules) will be invited to run. It is time to start recruiting new racers back to racing!