PARKER 300

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TO COR OWNERS AND RACERS: Half a dozen years or so ago I, with the help of Ron Hill, wrote the rules for the "reincarnated" Parker Enduro. We knew we couldn't actively participate as racers and run the race so I called upon Ross, asking if he would consider running this race. He "jumped" on the chance and for the first few years he allowed me to help distribute the purse and "set" the handicap times. During those times, everyone felt they had a "chance" to win and history proved the times to be very close if they could finish. The purse the first year was advertised as 10,000 bucks. That was the last we saw of an advertised purse and to this day, I don't think any racer has any idea what the money back to the racer will be! We do know that the entry fees have been increased substantially! Last year the handicaps were set so that certain classes simply had to win or be laughed out of endurance racing. Everyone of us knew of the inequities and the results proved it! This year's handicaps make last year's handicaps look almost sane! They are the most outrageous and idiotic handicaps any one could imagine. Think about it; the COR boats on the average will run about 80 mph with some non COR boats capable of 85mph. They are paired against GN (endurance) boats who brag of running at and over 100 mph. Then, to top it off, the fastest division is starting, what is it, 30 minutes later? These boats have speed capabilities of well over 100 mph, they are 25 footers that don't have to slow down for any kind of rough water. These boats have the capability of running over the COR's in less than an hour. Everybody knows the outcome! Everybody knows the COR's don't have a chance--THIS IS NOT THE WAY THE PARKER 300 WAS ENVISIONED 6 YEARS AGO--WHEN EVERYONE IN EVERY CLASS THOUGHT THEY HAD A CHANCE! I can't even imagine who could have dreamed up these handicaps--oh yes I can! COR boats need at least another 15 minutes on their time , maybe 25! Do the math! If you know you can't win, do you want to spend $350-$400 for an entry fee, another $500 for fuel, another $500 for "bed and breakfast" for the crew, & $500 travel expenses plus the chance of "blowing" an engine when you have no chance of recouping even a small portion of it in the form of a "purse" or just a podium finish???? Maybe it is time for the COR's who have had one of the largest classes to think about running their own "300" -==COMMENTS (I received some really dirty ones last year for an article about like this one, but I was right on!) If you don't have the "set" to go public, and you are a COR member call me! We can make our own decisions for the future which is now! We do have the FOC (freedom of choice)! COR FORUM, Thanks for the opportunity to speak out! Rod Zapf COR Chairman

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Rod, I'm all in. I've been on the fence for some time now about doing the enduro. To me the issue is the speed differential of the entrants. 130 mph boats and 80 mph boats on the same coarse at the same time seems crazy to me.

Ron Hill's picture

I spend about 50-60 hours each week talking boats, motors and propellers. When Rod and I discussed a "NEW" Enduro, we actually talked of required a GPS, because we didn't want anyone going over 100 MPH.

The first year we ran an S-3000, two inches below the bottom and still went 90 MPH. I had planned to race that year, but once I get pasted about 75 my blood turns to "SHIT".

The next year, 2006, we ran in the no nose cone class and ran about 86 MPH and won our class and overall.

The next year, 2007, the rules were changed, we had to add 200 pounds to the boat and with our CLE gearcase we were going 110 MPH. We won our class. In 2008, we won our class again.

We have not raced since 2008. Speeds were up too much for my boats. Prize money seemed to get smaller and smaller, though we kept winning.

Bottom Line:

What started as a "FUN RACE" for family, friends and fun, seems to me to be too dangerous, too expensive and too screwed up.

Our COR boat won't go 80, and COR is going to have 15 minute head start on a 2.5 or 300 XS?????????? I sold Foster my 300XS and on the first run out on his ski rave VEE BOTTOM he want 98 MPH....Avon Marine's Randy Pierson was going to come out and run a GREEN motor on my Bakers....We calculated he could run 115 full fuel load...

I said wait a minute....My 80 MPH COR boat won't have a chance for Overall and my Green Motor boat will go fast enough to KILL someone......

Not to mention, that NORDIC going about 130 MPH...If that Nordic and my Baker came together, we'd never find any of the piece of my Baker.

These are the rules I'd race under:

Class One:

GN

Class Two

COR 2.0

Class Three

Outboard Ski Race Vee Bottoms

No handicaps, "Heads Up" racing for 300 miles

I would need to know the EXACT amount of prize money to be given out......

Otherwise, I look at this Enduro's current rules as a "SUCKERS" race.

Walt, would you call me if you get time?? 1-800-762-0309

I'm leaving for Italy Friday for two weeks.

I'm sorry if I upset anyone, but this whole Enduro Thing has gotten under my skin.

007's picture

Rod, I hear your concerns but I will be racing the Enduro this year in the COR boat. I been waiting all year to drive this race. We all have the chance to drop 2.5 powerheads on our boats and race another division, but to me there is no more fun then driving a COR 2.0 Liter boat and even better racing alongside a GN. On the flat water, yes the GNs will all go past you but add a chop and a COR boat will dance past them all. Yes Stoker, Gibbs, and maybe Lane are faster than the COR target speed and therefore make the handicap for COR more difficult, but that is racing. We all need to figure out how to run with that group. I looked at all the 2012 classes and CORs are in a better position this year than last. We are starting first and get the clean water for awhile... it will be a good run. No doubt the 2.5's will have an easier yet risker run so what is more fun than hanging our a COR boat for 4 hours straight? The easiest path to the checkered, in my opinion, would be a Division 1 boat with a seven lead head start or a ski boat that can run 90 mph or a 2.5 Liter that run 115 mph... those classes are opened to all but at the end of the day, you have to put a boat on the water of you want to compete for the win.

Capnzee88's picture

Mike, thats what it is all about---we will see when the hammer falls at the end of the race--My money says that my experience in handicapping will prove you wrong! However, I do hope I am wrong because I would hate to see the end of the Parker 300. The Division II boats need at least 15 minutes! Because of these rediculous handicaps we will lose at least 4 Division II boats. Rod

JJ_Gibbs's picture

Rod makes great points and I 100% agree that this year COR boats have ZERO chance of winning Parker with the handicaps the committee has set. The handicaps make zero sense if you can do simple math, but it's the only race of its kind left and therefore we don't have other options. Rod if you want to put something together I will be there no questions ask to support it. Oh and Mike I welcome you to PROTEST or INSPECT anything I run or have ever run. I don't have "Special" stuff just some resources that others don't and a dad that knows what he is doing and knows what it takes for a correct setup. I could take your boat and make it run like the #35 did last year in no time at all. It takes time and setup work.

007's picture

JJ thanks for your comments and I would certainly join another race as well. Btw it was not my intention to question your boat or Stokers boat or any other boat, but rather why the CORs are not closer... Many have built new engines, so maybe the boats will be closer this year? Rod, when you say 15 minutes... We do get 10 minutes on the GNs when last year they had a 15 minute head start?

Capnzee88's picture

Results were very close when we had a 60 minute spread between Div I and Div VI--What is the spread now?

JJ_Gibbs's picture

There are a number of reasons the COR boats aren't as fast a the few guys that only run once a year, but I am not going to get into that. The potential is there in a few of the regular COR boats. Rod is on the right track with his times for the handicap and hopefully Ross and RPM will realize that without the COR and other 2.0 boats their numbers are going to go down significantly.

Capnzee88's picture

As in all racing, some will always be faster and the others will always wonder why! It is just a fact of the matter. About the best thing the slower boats can do, is go to work on them, Generally all of the COR boats are fairly close, a few inches of length don't make the difference, knowledge of engine building does--but in the final results a boat must finish to win! Check out the COR winners in the past, they are all engine builders, do they know something others (we) don't?--obviously! Are they legal?--obviously! Am I going to sit and pout NO! I'm gonna try and beat'm, let'm know they are in a race! This is not the problem in the 300--the handicaps are the problem! Rod

007's picture

I'm with you Rod. That is the right attitude and I agree that the times could be closer.. Who is taking our case to Ross? Be aware that Division VII is now limited to the 502 CI Mercury700 SCI Package and Bravo drives... no more 1350 and no more fancy outdrives.

DIVISION I:

START TIME

10:00 (PLUS 7 Lap Handicap)

DIVISION II:

START TIME

10:00 (PLUS 0)

DIVISION III:

START TIME

10:00 (PLUS 0)

DIVISION IV:

START TIME

10:10 (PLUS 10)

DIVISION V:

START TIME

10:15 (PLUS 15)

DIVISION VI:

START TIME

10:25 (PLUS 25)

DIVISION VII

START TIME

10:30 (PLUS 30)

Capnzee88's picture

What , Ross and his close "associates" have been trying to do is get a "one start, all start" as in the old days. This is the closest he has been able to get to what we all know is an unsafe start with the disparity in speeds and boat sizes. Anything for the spectacular with no regards for safety!

WALTHOLLIS's picture

So the little Nordics with 1350's can't run this year? Or just not in VII?

007's picture

From my understanding, Nordics will run with the 502 ci 700 SCI package and Bravo outdrives. What is that a 90 mph package?

JJ_Gibbs's picture

I was at Nordic the other day and they are building a new boat for Parker. It's one of their ski race boats with a 700 and a #6 behind it. No 1350 but still running a #6 because apparently it is in accordance to the rules due to the fact it shifts and has forward-neutral-reverse. What about the ski race outboards starting the same time as 2.0 COR? They run considerably faster than a 2.0 also but start at 10:00 also.

007's picture

Ski Race would allow any 21 or less foot v-bottom with a 300 xs to run. That is easily a 95 mph boat that should run all day. Also a Division 1 inboard with a 7 lap advantage would make a good run. Almost any class can beat a COR 2.0 on paper.

franky's picture

Nordic must win, they are the major sponsor....

JJ_Gibbs's picture

AND......Franky is EXACTLY RIGHT!! They are the title sponsor a put a huge amount of money in to the race. They have had a chance to win the last 4 years and have managed to screw it up for themselves, but RPM will do whatever it takes (handicap wise) to make sure they have the best chance to win. YES Mike the ski race outboard boats will run 93-96 all day long with no skier behind them, and get through the rough water quite well.

Capnzee88's picture

With all the above, what in the hell are we doing? looks to me like all we are doing is providing "fodder" for the cannon. Not what this race was all about a few years back! If Nordic is the major sponsor, where is the money? Has there been a prize package advertized?

JJ_Gibbs's picture

Then since no 2.0 has a chance to win Parker, what do we run in place of the enduro? I am not talking short course racing. Something that is an endurance race and there is a level playing field for a chance at overall. Or just go run Parker and know that you are racing for class win only like the old days when it was ET boats or factory tunnel boats that had a chance at overall. Break away and have a Havasu classic 300 on the old course in Thompson bay??

007's picture

If there is a new race I will do my best to show up at Havasu or Parker. But I will also be taking my luck to the Enduro 300 this year. JJ, if you go by me again on the first straight can I throw you tow line?

Ron Hill's picture

Just asking! NASCAR has one race where they stop, I think twice in the same race. No one make actual pit stops. How would you feel about like a 3 hour race where the race was Red Flagged at one hour. 30-45 later, restart by positions and run another hour. Then, a third start 3-45 minutes later. It would be a total of three hours of racing, but no real pit stops.

I'll explain my desired to do this, later.

Also, how about one race a year, where we only raced for time, like Offroad Racers do. Run like 1 hour for time. Then, run another hour on time. Fastest guys would start first.

DRC's picture

Word on the street is that COR is not on the schedule for bay fair? Should we be getting ready for this or focus on Iselton?

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Rod, are we in or out? Seems f'd up that its this close to the event and we don't know if we are racing; then again the Bay Fair home page doesn't even have the schedule posted yet.

Propman's picture

I have the raced the Parker Enduro three times and have been prepared and lucky enough to finish all three times. The first year we (Division II) started 30 mins ahead of the GN Class, the next year we started at the same time (30 seconds apart), the last year we started 15 minutes behind the GN boats. Last year a GN boat won overall, the year before two "COR" boats lead nearly the whole race and finished one, two overall. The first year I raced a div 6 boat won overall. The point here is, the stagger times vary wildly from year to year and are based "loosely" on previous years results. So if the GN boats do poorly in one year, the next year they will have a better start time, If the COR boats do well in a particular year, the following year, look for a poor starting time. It is an arbritary system, that will never settle on a "fair" stagger. Why, because it is based on preparation and luck. Last year was a good example. Prior to last year, it was easy to find 100 mph GN boats and it was easy to find GN boats that finished, it was impossible to find a GN boat that could finish and average over 95 mph for 300 miles. So last years' stagger gave an advantage to the GN boats, in fact on paper all it took was a GN boat that could average 78 mph for 300 miles. No big surprize that a GN boat won the overall and there were more GN boats in the top ten then I can ever remember.

What to do? well you can "not race" based on the fact that you cannot win overall, or you could race a different class, one that would have a better chance of winning overall, or (my favorite) race for a class victory. It seems to me the overall winner had to do several things to make that achievement, he had to win his class, he had to have perfect pit stops, he had to be completely prepared for a long race and he had to have a favorable stagger. I have seen racers have everything right except the stagger part and not finish in the money. I would not attempt to diminish the Overall winners' accomplishment, but I would be quick to point out that he needed some help from the stagger commitee.

So forget the stagger, stop debating it. The overall winner is based on an arbritary system that changes like the wind. Race to win the class, it is a lofty goal, one that will elude most of us. it is deserving of our praise and congratulation.

For those still searching for overall winners, I would suggest you stick to an outboard and a mod VP boat. In the last six years, it has been won by that combination four times, three of which were COR boats.

007's picture

Well said Kevin

Capnzee88's picture

Luke MOORE is coming to Southern California to meet some of the COR BOYZ! He plans on getting to my place around 2:00 on Saturday afternoon. I was hoping to get a few of the COR guys to show up to greet him and welcome him into the COR family. Thoughts were, I would pick up some beer and Brats and we could have a little feast at KHYC in Redondo Harbor, go for a ride in Greg Ronkainens boat, maybe bring a COR boat down to the Club and get acquainted with Luke! Luke has bought my Sleekcraft and is planning to get racing asap. Rod

Capnzee88's picture

Luke, call me when you are in position to know when you are within "striking range." We will plan a nice boat ride, courtesy of our "Fly'n Finn" competitor, plus some great conversation. ROD

Capnzee88's picture

I talked to Ross yesterday. He has certainly tried to get the CORs on the Bayfair, but so far no response from the conducting board. He should get a response today and we will put it on the web site immediately--TUFF TO BE A SECOND COUSIN IN THE BOATRACING GAME! Maybe we have earned it...but we are going to work hard on improving. Problems: 1. No spectator wants to see a parade (many of our drivers don't seem to understand this and they threaten our future) 2. COR boats should run for many races without failing (Long Beach, five boats "blew" their chances leaving only two boats to run in the finals (ugly with 6000+ or - spectators) 3. Running to the judges stand multiple times when the officials have more things to worry about besides a "local" class. 4. Carelessness in the pits. We, the COR's, are all guilty of one or more of these items so let's take the time to review in our own minds what we can do to improve our image among the officials, the fans, and our fellow racers! Rod Zapf, COR Chairman

Capnzee88's picture

There will be no BAYFAIR for the COR boats this year. We lost Bakersfield for San Diego, so what did we gain? One fine opportunity to run on one of the best bodies of water in California, Lake Ming! Rod

Capnzee88's picture

The COR's who are joining us are Johnny Soares, Tim Caranza, Dave Caranza, Greg Ronkainen, Mike Q, Luke Moore and his son, and myself. We will be meeting at 1015-2nd St. Manhattan Beach, and going by car to the King Harbor Yacht Club for drinks, food , fun and a harbor cruise aboard the 'FLY'N FINN". Fun begins at or around 2:00. Be there! Rod

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Sounds like a good time, have fun. I want to race isleton in early October before the enduro, who's with me?

Capnzee88's picture

The COR guys got together today and we had a great time. Walt, it looks like you will have plenty of company at Isleton. We took a vote of the COR guys and it looks like you should have at least 5 boats to keep you company.. We met Luke and his son Cody. They fit in real well with the group. Together we ate about 16 hamburgers and two dozen brats prepared perfectly by Mike Q. and his wife. Greg R. took us for a fun ride around the harbor. The "meeting" was uneventful, we talked about more races, "rules of the road", COR sportsmanship, and posting on the COR web site which was worth a few laughs. The "meeting" broke up around 8:00 as Luke Moore had a 7 hour drive ahead of him and Johnny S. was looking at a couple hours to San Bernardino. Dave C. didn't look like he could drive at all, thanks to big brother Tim, both of them got home safely. All in all, a good time-Emilio, wish you could have made it, Rod