Race Schedule & Events (2013)

2013 Boat Race Schedule & Events

March 2 - 3, 2013
Lake Ming, Bakersfield, CA (SCSC)(Tentative)

Apr 6 - 7, 2013
Blue Water Resort & Casino, "Spring Classic" & Western Divisionals Parker, AZ (SCSC)

April 26, 27, 28, 2013 (CANCELLED)
4th Annual Regatta Puddingstone Lake, CA (SBRA)

May 18 - 19, 2013 (CANCELLED)
Bullhead River Days Invitational, Bullhead, AZ (RPM)

May 31 - June 2, 2013
Big Wake Weekend - Folsom Lake at Granite Bay (RPM & H1 Unlimited Hydroplanes)

Aug 3 - 4, 2013
Long Beach Sprint Nationals, Marine Stadium, Long Beach, CA (SCSC)

Sept 13 - 15, 2013
Bayfair, San Diego, CA (RPM & H1 Unlimited Hydroplanes)

Sept 14 - 15, 2013
Salt Springs Valley Reservoir Coopperoplis, CA (Region 11)

Oct (TDB), 2013 (Cancelled)
Delta Boat Races Sacramento River, Isleton, CA

Oct 25 - 26, 2013
Parker Enduro 300, Parker, AZ (RPM)

Nov 29 - 30, 2013
Blue Water Resort & Casino 67th Annual Thanksgiving Regatta, Parker, AZ (SCSC)

Access the 2011 events here: 2011 Race Schedule
Access the 2012 events here: 2012 Race Schedule

Comments

hiline's picture

I dont see Isleton on the schedule?
Will COR be running up here at all,looks like all S Cal, AZ events the whole year?
Thanks.

3030's picture

Yes, Iselton and other races in APBA Region 11 will be added to this schedule shortly. Checking on dates now...

hiline's picture

Ok great thanks Mike!

is the bullhead race going to happen?

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Bullhead never really came about, pretty sure the event never got off the ground for any of the classes.

Next race that is for sure is Long Beach in August.

bummer...i was looking forward to having race right in my back yard....

hiline's picture

Is the Isleton race a go, it shows TBD,if so I'll get the Del Taco boat together to run with you guys.
Thanks,
Tony

3030's picture

Rod? I spoke with Frank up at Folsom and he indicated the race is on. Do you if they have an official date yet?

Capnzee88's picture

To my knowledge, Isleton is on--I will check and get the final date--have a call in to Frank at this time. Rod

05's picture

Is COR in for Bayfair? lets get a count!

STV_Keith's picture

We should start a new thread, but Ross said that COR would be invited to Bayfair IF we would do a LeMans start.

Keith-

bill boyes's picture

COR you are invited... Come to Salt Springs Valley Reservoir in Coopperoplis, CA Sept 14-15. Bill

bill boyes's picture

Is a No Go. could not get the owners to agree to launch ramp usage.
Please come to Salt springs valley Reservoir Sept 14- 15. Cor is on the sanction. Coopperoplis Ca off hwy 4 east from Stockton
Question boyes.bill@gmail.com

STV_Keith's picture

Sept 14-15 is the same weekend as Bay Fair in San Diego.

Keith-

bill boyes's picture

Yes it is.
Entry fees are $52.

bill boyes's picture

Posted race info on Corr alerts and it went into computer la la land.

Bandit126's picture

we will be there Bill

Vicki Schwarzenbach

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Bill, I had heard about Isleton being moved to the Stockton Rod and Gun Glub? Any truth to that rumor?

bill boyes's picture

Well, NO info to report except the Rod and Gun club is being hassled by the city. Rumor has it that the Gun club wants to buy the site from the City. There is just too much going on at this this time. Maybe next year. Nothing is in concrete. But at this late date and no Sanction being submitted Salt Springs is firm and the Sanction submitted.

Capnzee88's picture

We are all sorry and wish the best for Frank, Gloria and all of Region 11! The CORs are invited to run at Salt Springs. The entry fee is $52, they have a great party planned for Saturday night and HILL MARINE is buying COR trophies in honor of Frank. The DBRA/EBYC, headed up by Frank, Gloria and the rest of region 11 has bent over backwards for the COR boats and have asked nothing in return. They have given us 3 heats a day in the past and will do the same again this year. They have provided a camping site at no cost and they are planning the same thing again this year at or a very low cost. They have provided launching vehicles and I am certain they will do the same this year! We had planned a race in region 11 and now that Isleton is out it leaves us with Salt Springs. We have tried to get the northern Cal boats interested in running COR, we have two up there with a possible 3rd (711-5 & the Moore racing team) in the future-this is the start of a COR extension to the North. In honor of Frank, the 88 boat will be ready, willing and able to travel to Salt Springs to do battle. Thomas has hinted at returning to the water in the 711 boat and I hope this will provide him with a chance to relieve his frustrations. Hill Marine has offered to provide their spare power head to Thomas to give him something to compare his engine to. Apple Valley Marine will volunteer to set the engine up (if Thomas would like) We will have test time. The number 88 is in for Salt Springs!

Hello Rod,

The people in COR sure make it tough for a guy to quit. Mr. Hill and Apple Valley Marine are extremely generous in what they have to offer. This kind of generosity doesn't come often in one's life. The only other time this kind of generosity came my way was when racing in the Grand American Modified. My car had been taken into the wall by an over aggressive driver coming into a turn which resulted in a five car pile-up. My car was totaled and the only thing that was salvageable was the engine and tranny. A wealthy owner of a team we raced against whom had taken a great liking to me, offered one of his rollers so I could stay in the points chase. We accepted his offer with much gratitude and I was able to at least finish fifth in the points that year.

I will discuss this generous outreach you guys have made with my father to get his opinion, but as far as I'm concerned, I like to give it another shot!

I do have a major problem though with the steering on our boat. Something has to be done with it before I'll get back into this boat. Mr. Soares (sp.?) #9 boat came to us and told my father that something was really wrong with the steering. He told him that even down the straights he observed me turning the wheel back and forth radically as he passed me. I was telling my father that I couldn't drive the boat on the way home from Long Beach, so when we arrived we sat down to watch our Go-Pro video, he called our steering system "asinine" and said your not racing until its repaired. He's personally never liked hydraulic and would prefer we went to cable steering.

When we received this boat we had to replace one of the bunks on the trailer because it was broken in the rear. We took the boat to our lake (Lake Tulloch), launched it, tied it to the docks at our homeowners association marina so we could replace the bunk. I remember my father maneuvering the boat around in the dock area turning the wheel frantically back and forth to dock it and when he drove it up onto the trailer.

Anyway, after the first heat on Sat. at Long Beach, a guy came up and heard me complaining to my father about the steering. He suggested we look at the fluid level at the helm. He and my Dad found that the helm reservoir was almost empty by the amount of fluid they had to put in. This man told us it might have air in the lines. I also remember you (Rod) telling us about different gear ratios in the helm. If they have a set that is a 1 to 1 lets say, I would be very happy. I don't care if it is hard on your arms, I need more response and positive feedback before I'll go back on the course!! Maybe between solving the steering issue and Mr.Hill and Apple Valley Marine's generosity, I'll make the Salt Springs race. Sorry to everyone for this long post.

Thanks guys,
Thomas

Capnzee88's picture

Thomas, It sounds to me that the reservoir on the helm unit has gone dry at one time and now has air in the lines. Any slight movement of the steering wheel should result in a like movement of the engine. I remember running against the 711 boat in a past race and the two of us running together down the front stretch. I was on the inside and the 711 was outside angling to the turn pin. We reached the turn, I on the inside and never saw the 711 again during that race. I heard that he had problems with the steering going into the turn. You may have a simple problem with the 0 rings at the helm or at the hydraulic cylinder. I have never repaired mine however I have had it repaired--was a rather quick fix as all it required was a new set of seals. I am surprised you "survived" the race with what you had going for you at Long Beach. I believe your problem can be fixed. You will have time to test and most likely a much smaller field of boats to run against at Salt Springs which will give you a much better environment to "feel" the boat out. Rod

My father told me he hasn't ever worked on these hydraulic systems and doesn't want to tear into it and end up with a basket case. Do boat shops know how to work on these? There's a local shop in Copper that my Dad repairs propellers for and says he's a good mechanic. He says maybe he can swap some prop work with him for a repair job on the hydraulic system. He really would like to go to the rack & pinion style with the cables coming at opposite ends at the motor. He told me that's the system he remembers the Mod VP's used back in the 80's. What do you guys think?

STV_Keith's picture

I think that's a step backwards. Hydraulic systems are quite simple really...a helm (pump), some lines and a cylinder (ram at the engine). When you turn the pump, it moves fluid which causes the ram to move.

It's nice not to fight the torque on the wheel, like you would have to do with cable or string steering. Lots of torque with a big case and 14"+ diameter props...nothing like your 45.

Keith-

Capnzee88's picture

Any marine shop that repairs engines, sells parts etc should be able to repair your hydraulic system. I have driven boats with cable steering, double telex (push/pull) steering equipped with torque tamers etc. Stick with what you have and simply get it repaired. Hydraulic steering is not rocket science. Nearly every COR boat has hydraulic steering --it does require a small amount of maintenance however everyone I know who has it would never go back. Rod

Thank you Rod

Thank you Keith.

bill boyes's picture

Thomas, Try ALL Marine in Stockton. Lonnie Morris

I appreciate your post Mr. Boyes, thank you. After calling a SeaStar/Teleflex tech representative and describing what we currently have on this boat, he told us it was a very old and outdated 1.7 unit. When we described how our system was functioning, he said he had no doubt we have air in it. When I told him I had been racing cars since I was 5 yrs old, his response was I would be much happier with a 2.4 helm. He said in combination with our old 1.7 helm and the fact that this model had fluid lines which were too big, this ends up causing excessive lapse time in steering reaction response. He highly recommended we go to the new system. He also stated since the boat is involved in racing, the new 2.4 helm and lines not only would provide a sense of comfort to me behind the wheel but most of all for "SAFETY" reasons.

Our dilemma now, can my father fit this expense into his budget? This "race ready" boat is costing my father more than he ever imagined. We will see if we can manage it before the Salt Springs race.

I know one thing, my father will make this boat "right" before he will ever consider selling it to someone else. He has always done this with our race cars in the past and he will do the same with this boat!

Respectively,
Thomas

Capnzee88's picture

Hi Thomas, Please let me know if you want Mickey from Apple
valley Marine to look at your engine before the race at Salt Springs,( I believe we can get it up to speed) or if you want me to bring the back-up power head or what your plans are. Rod

Hi Rod,

What we have found is 180 psi compression in each cylinder give or take a pound or two at most. From my fathers knowledge he says it appears to be very healthy powerhead internally. He's thinking about doing a leak down test too.

What we did find is that all the surface gap plugs had carbon deposits on them save one, (top cylinder/right bank) which was virtually clean (like new out of the box), we thought we had found the problem, but when the coil for that plug and the plug itself were tested, both had good spark. We did find a coil (bottom cylinder/left bank) that appeared to have a little weaker and erratic spark as compared to the others, but the spark plug for that particular hole showed a good sign of complete combustion.

Anyway, we're trying to figure out what is going on and in the meantime my father is putting the purchase of a new helm and lines on his credit card and he has his fingers crossed this will solve the steering issue that we had down in Long Beach. We're going to give this COR boat one more shot!

We are grateful for what you and Mickey are trying to do for us and YES, we would like very much for Mickey to look over our motor and solve any issues which had caused it to run so poorly down south. Obviously, it would be much appreciative by us if you would bring your spare powerhead in case Mickey "does" find something that cannot be repaired on the spot at Salt Springs.

As of now, our plans are to race at Salt Springs this Sept. 14th & 15th. If we have any change in plans, I will surely keep you informed and up to date on them.

Best regards,
Thomas

STV_Keith's picture

180# compression should be very healthy. A clean plug may also indicate water intrusion, of which we had a LOT at LB. Is the top of the piston washed clean too?

You should be able to find the helm (HH5772) new for under $400.

Keith-

The first time we checked compression @ WOT we used our MAC Tool screw in type, but after advise from Mike 3030, we checked it with our Snap-On push in type and got 160 to 165 psi @ WOT. At this point my Dad believes the Snap-On reading is correct.

We have purchased a brand new complete SeaStar Pro HK 7400 kit with HO 5700 series lines = expensive!! I guess my Dad is in this thing for the long run. I hope this solves my steering problems.

The top of the piston for that particular hole has the exact same appearance as all the rest. Looks like good combustion (carbon), a nice light chocolate color with a very slight build-up.

My Dad decided not to remove the powerhead upon Mr. Zaph's suggestion and will have Mickey @ Apple Valley Marine do his thing in the hopes it is something simple that my father is overlooking. We are very grateful he is willing to donate his time in trying to help us out. Hopefully he will find the problem and with the new steering I'm hoping I will be competitive at this race coming up at Salt Springs. Again, thanks for all your input Keith, it's much appreciated!

Take care,
Thomas

STV_Keith's picture

Also just saw a thread on S&F from a guy selling a new pair of 18' long Seastar Pro hoses...might work for you. Here's the thread: http://www.screamandfly.com/showthread.php?271389-Sea-Star-Pro-Hydraulic...

Keith-

Ron Hill's picture

I don't think Frank has missed writing a Region 11 article in the last five years. If anyone from Region 12 goes up north to race, they always get written about in the APBA's Propeller Magazine. A tribute to Frank would be great, I'll bring my Baker.

Capnzee88's picture

The Salt Springs course is reported to be a very nice race course, much wider than Isleton, small ramp but lots of help! Plenty of test time. Rod

45's picture

45 is good to travel to region 11. To those that have never raced with Frank and the fellow racers of region 11, you've missed out on an awesome experience. Yes its a drive but you wont regret it.

Count us in!

Ron Hill's picture

When you attend the Salt Springs Race, you can see the Little House on the Prairie across the lake. They filmed the Little House series at Salt Springs.

If you need rooms, Angel's Camp is where to get a hotel.

Looks like my wife plans to bring the motorhome up as she wants to see Bunker Hill and Marlee Hill practice for the Enduro!!!

Ron Hill's picture

Bunker and Marlee Hill with be the first Father Daughter Team to ever race the Enduro. The Blue Water Resort and Casino 336 will be October 25-26, 2013 at Parker, Arizona.

Capnzee88's picture

I was asked tonight to basically take a vote on which race the COR boats would support. Regardless of who would "win" that vote, either club has the right to put COR on their race circular and COR points will be awarded to the boats participating in either race in accordance with COR rules. Both races have something to offer. San Diego has a much larger crowd to showcase the COR boats, San Diego is much closer. On the other hand, Entry fees are much higher. Salt water, Fees for motor home parking are much higher, Le Mans starts are required or they won't have us,(do they really want us?), "holders" are required . The course is rather strange, "morphed" out of a much larger course. Salt Springs want us regardless of how we want to start. They will give us test time. They are planning a fun Saturday night. They will run us on a short course with 3 heats of racing each day. Lots of time to work on COR's preferred method of starting-the clock start. $53 entry fee. This is just a few of the reasons why the 88 boat is going north. Where you decide to race is purely up to yourselves. I will state facts but will not attempt to undermine either event. Rod Zapf, COR Chairman

DRC's picture

The 45 boat will go north to race with Frank and the DBRA gang hope everbody else will join in its going to be a good time .
Dave

STV_Keith's picture

If some boats go North and others go South, how are the points to be handled? If we get 10-10-20 at Bay Fair and a different format at Copperopolis, then the points offered may change based on races run?

Keith-

3030's picture

I think you are right Keith, under the current rules, points are awarded by # of heats x # of boats. Also, without a full boat count, Ross may not want us at Bayfair? I will give him a call today.

Capnzee88's picture

The points will be awarded at any given race as they have been in the past and in accordance with the COR rules. We have run 3 heat formats and points were awarded for each heat depending upon the number of boats. Points are awarded in accordance with the COR rules regardless of the format being run.

bill boyes's picture

We prefer the 3 heat 5 lap races. longer races generally end up in a train. 3 heats with a clock start.

STV_Keith's picture

So the COR races at Copperopolis will be 3 - 5 lap heats? Is that per day?

We have been running a different format recently of 2 - 10 lap heats and a 20 - lap final. Most of the racers have concurred that 4 - 10 lap heats would be our preference.

Keith-

bill boyes's picture

The event is two days. So yes that is per day

3030's picture

Most helms are 2.0 but they do make a higher volume 2.4, less turns lock to lock and harder to steer.

Where do you get the internals to change to 2.4 or do you have to buy the complete helm as a unit? Thanks!

3030's picture

I have never converted one but I know you can buy a 2.4 helm. Part number is HH5772. I considered changing over from the 2.0 to the 2.4 but am still running the 2.0. There is also a 1.7 helm which is even slower and easier...

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