Puddingstone 2012

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Capnzee88's picture

The latest boat count for Puddingstone could be as many as 8 or 9 boats. Emilio and Kevin have checked in, The Flying Finn (#128) has checked in. The #45 boat of Dave and Tim is planning on making the start. I am working hard to "stuff" a block. Not certain about Bill James, or Mickey Schwarzenbachs #28 boat--he may drive on Sunday but Saturday is NASCAR day and he already has tickets--Anybody else? Rod

Capnzee88's picture

I just received instructions on how to find the upcoming races in region 12 on the APBA we site. There is no sanction listed for Puddingstone on the APBA schedule. What is happening in Region 12?? Who is in charge??? Are the COR boats on the schedule????If nobody else cares, I have to tell you, we are one screwed up Region! Can't our Region Chairman intervene and get this region squared away? Is there a Puddingstone or isn't there??? We have a potential full class of COR boats and absolutely no one seems to have an answer??? Rod Zapf COR Chairman

3030's picture

Roger Carr is still the Chairman as you know. I believe Steve Sequera and Scott Schatz of Sprint Boat Racing Association put this race on and said "Puddingstone is on!" I can tell you we need everyone to get behind this race, show up and race, show up and watch. Sponsor a class or two. Gordon Jennings, Jr. is heading up he sponsorship committee! March 24-26, 2012 SBRA, Fourth Annual Invitational Regatta, Puddingstone , San Dimas

Capnzee88's picture

A response from any of the race sponsors or the region chairman would be nice! We have the possibility of staging more boats than any other class, but have no idea as to whether in fact the COR's are included in the race sanction which to my knowledge has not been posted with APBA.

Capnzee88's picture

Puddingstone race March 24th and 25th. Motor home parking 100.00. Boats can move in March 23rd==no testing on Friday FFI 951-403-7775 Scott Schatz Sanction should be out soon! Don't know about COR's being on sanction. Sorry, best I could do--call Scott FFI. also, go to Performance Boats.com

3030's picture

Walt, welcome to the class. CORs will be on the sanction for Puddingstone. You will be the forth new member in the last 4 races. Hope you can make the grid.

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Bought a Mirage today out of Texas, working on getting it here in time for Puddingstone. It has built 200 on it so i will need to change out the powerhead. Anyone have a stock 2.0 to sell?

3030's picture

There are a few powerheads around. Maybe try John Soares or Ron Hill at 714-608-7147.

Here is another one: http://www.boatracingfacts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13250

Capnzee88's picture

Try ScreamandFly--they have the best parts ;and sales forum I know of. I am out of town at the moment but will be bacck tomorrow. I can find you a 2.0 powerhead real quick or try Kevin at R and R. He is known foer building inexpensive but fast 2.o engines. Rod

45's picture

You might be able to talk him into seperating it from the boat. $2500 fr the whole boat and trailer.

http://www.searchtempest.com/results.php?location=90250&maxDist=400&regi...

Capnzee88's picture

The "authorities" on SCREAM AND FLY seem to think the stock 2.0 blocks are better than the sst-120 powerheads that many of us are using! I have thought this for sometime. Mickey has developed more horses on his dyno with a stock block than he did with my 120---d----just for information for all those guys who have said they don't have a chance because they don't have120 blocks.

Capnzee88's picture

The APBA registration fee for the year 2012 is $165.00. The COR membership fee was "missed" when printing out the 2012 forms. I talked to TANA of APBA today and she said that an attempt would be made to correct this on the APBA website. Until then, if registering for the year at a race-site, the cost to join APBA for the year is 165.00. I would recommend downloading the membership form from the APBA web-site, fill it out, include $165.00, and send it to APBA so that you get your official card before Puddingstone. I know it will save you time and frustration if you get this done before race day! Rod Zapf, COR Chairman

franky's picture

I do not agree. I think you can not beet a 120 for what you guys do. Think about it. The 555 ran and won the Parker 300 in 2007 with a bone stock 120. They ran it again the next year but Barney, well you know the story. Then Skip runs the motor at the next Parker and then runs COR for a season till it overheated due to a water pump issue. Or something like that, the point is they last. Really? What a great running stock out of the box motor to just run the crap out of race after race and not worry about. Just saying. Mercury Racing must be Mercury Racing for a reason. Don't f with it, Just my 2 cents.

JJ_Gibbs's picture

For you guys the best PRODUCTION motor I feel would be the SST120. Race after race it should last without issues if you run the correct fuel, oil, and keep it cool. Your COR rules don't restrict you to a PRODUCTION motor, so I am not sure why you would run a stock SST120. A fishing motor should be equal or outperform a 120 all day long. Just another opinion.

3030's picture

agreed. jj, how much hp was your Parker motor pushing? how far off was it from the 34 boat?

Capnzee88's picture

I'm certainly not an authority, but I do believe that the length of the straight=a=way out of the turn and the number of buoys in the turn make a difference. Many of our COR courses have very tight turns and less than a 1/3rd of a mile to the next turn. Parker has 3 mile straights and fairly large turns. Comparing the two could be apples and oranges., but I sure enjoy the interest, the comments and the opinions. I am sure there are many more and this is good for our class--GAINING INTEREST EVERY DAY! Maybe we'll see Franky & JJ out "rubb'n & rac'n on the short course one of these days! I'll say one thing, those guys from the east coast of California seem to have what it takes to make these COR boats run. I believe of all the COR boats in last years Parker, they took the top 4 spots, probably made a lot of money doin' it too??? Rod

JJ_Gibbs's picture

That was a 135 fishing motor and it was far enough off I couldn't catch Greg. I attribute it to the handling of the boat in rougher water and the corners. The boat setup needed some work.

Capnzee88's picture

Ya see guys, you don't need all those bells and whistles that you pay for with the SST 120. It just happens that Apple Valley Marine's engine, the one that developed top horse power was also a 135. To my knowledge, Kevin's engine started as a "fish'n" engine and Emilio's is a "fish'n" engine with one hole punched out to .015. Maybe the boat and the "set-up" have more to it than most guys want to admit! JJ certainly "hit" on the subject of "set-up". I know my HST is far from set-up correctly, I can't seem to get it into and out of a turn, (my excuse is I am getting old) it is also very difficult for us west coasters to get the test time that the guys who live on the Colorado have available--not an excuse, just a reality! Rod

franky's picture

Yeah, just pour a whole lot of time and money into a 135....or go racing, put the boat away, go racing, put the boat away. My point was, the stock SST 120 last. And yes, set up is important...and having the right prop. That's for sure!
Guys, don't loose sight of the having fun with this whole racing thing, otherwise it will take the whole enjoyment out of it.
It's not worth it. And that's what I have to say about that.

Propman's picture

I have been collecting (and breaking) 2 liter motors for about three years now, and have a fair amount of experience with the fishing motors and the sst 120's. One could say there are basically three distinct varieties of 2.0 liters. First the early 2.0 liters were made from 2.4 style blocks although they made 2 liters long before 2.4s the block is indistinguishable from the outside since the same casting was used for both sizes. The XR2 comes from this family, it was the "souped up" version of the 150. it came with vertical reeds and two piece 28cc heads. it produced from 165 to 170 hp out of the box. It has the exact same port height and exhaust chest as the modern SSt120. If there is a downside to this block it would be the smaller center main bearings and the two peice exhaust divider. That said, the exhaust chest is bigger than the 2.5 style which came later. Find one of these hanging on an old bass boat and it's the beginning of some serious power.
Sometime in the early nineties Mercury phased out the 2.4 blocks in favor of the 2.5 style blocks. They continued to make 2.0 liter for the 135's and 150's by using a thick steel sleeve to get the displacement down to 2 liters, still it made too much horsepower so they resorted to a more restrictive exhaust divider, timming reductions, and exhaust relief notches. It has one piece heads, one piece exhaust divider, horizontal reeds, and the later ones came with a 40 amp charging system.
Lastly, the SST120 motor it has the 2.5 style block, the big bearing crank, bottom guided (large) rods, thin ring pistons, lightweight flywheel, in short all the high perf goodies to make a reliable race motor, albeit with a price tag to match.
Which one is best? I probably would say the cheapest one, add the right parts to any of the three, and I think you could race sucessfully in the COR class. The horsepower and upper limit rpm would be similar (+ or - 10 hp), and here is the rub: try to add a significant amount of horsepower and the dollars go up exponentially, while the horsepower makes a slow, gradual climb. At the same time, the reliability and expected service life make a nosedive. In the end, it is balancing act of where to put your racing dollars. Seems to me, we might get absorbed on the engine and tend to forget that the right setup on the boat is worth more than the best motor on a poor setup.

Kevin

Capnzee88's picture

With what Kevin has to offer in his very informative post above, there is an XR-2 for sale on a bass boat for the very reasonable price of 2500 bucks (engine, boat, & trailer). This sale was posted by Dave and Tim on COR's website and can be found on Craigslist, San Diego. In addition, APBA has now corrected the on-line registration form and has added the COR class annual registration at the (by todays standards) very modest price of $165 per year. I urge you all to get pre-registered so that we can get an up to date, and honest, list of COR members. By honest, I mean WET BOATS versus desert flower pots. It would appear that we are very close to double digits on our current membership list, with two new members, Greg Ronkainen (#128-Sleekcraft) and Walt Hollis (Mirage-no number assigned at this time-Walt, you got a preference?). Keep up the great work and the great posts! Our COR family is growing and with it, the fun! Franky has it right, FUN IS WHAT IT IS ALL ABOUT! Franky, the word on the street is that you may be joining the REAL COR fleet (versus the once a year "300") and doing a little closed course racing--Puddingstone March 25th???? Any chance this is true? Rod, COR Chairman

WALTHOLLIS's picture

My preference is 711 if that is available.

Whats the link to get registered?

Capnzee88's picture

Go to the APBA website which you can connect to through the internet. Once you have the website up, go to the right across the "titles". There you will find a heading called resources. Click on Resources, once up, follow the headings down on page 1 until you find registrations, Click on registrations and you are ready to go. Near the bottom of the page, you will see Special Events. You may notice that COR is not listed--you will see unlimited lights, river racers etc. Cross out one of the $165.00 registration classes and print in COR. (The web site has not caught up with the agreement between TANA of APBA and myself which will add COR to the form) Include a check or credit card information and mail to APBA, address at the top of the form. You will receive an official APBA plastic card in a week or so. This card/APBA number is presented to the officials at a race site and is required in order to register for the race. Congratulations Walt, you have been awarded the COR racing number 711. COR rules also state that you must have a COR decal on the boat. (This rule has not been enforced but most boats have it to enjoy full compliance with our rules and to help advertize the COR class) . I have several of these decals still in stock but the supply is short. You can see these decals on several of the boats pictured on the COR web site, or you may have seen them at the boat show. Once you have raced your #711, you become a full voting member of COR. The reason for having to race the boat before you become a "voting member" is to protect the class from people entering with "Dry boats" (boats that aren't capable of racing). Contrary to many of the classes in APBA, who allow voting members who donot have boats in the class nor a "dog in the fight" we are proud to state that our membership is a true count based on racing members who own boats. This is called a "wet boat count"! Thanks for joining us, I am certain you will be a very competitive addition to our COR family. Now that you have a COR number, have you got a name for your boat? For example, Greg with the #128 Sleekcraft is known as the "FLYING FINN" John Soares is called Johnny "Lightning" ! (not necessary but adds to the fun) Rod Zapf, COR Chairman (Capnzee 88)

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Thanks Rod, I will get that done.........name of the boat, not sure, our DCB is One-A-Day, wifes pontoon is Toon A Day...........I am thinking "Race Day" works well

- Walt

Capnzee88's picture

COR rules, The interest in the COR class is certainly evident by the calls and posts that we are seeing on the COR website. I would recommend that everyone interested in going COR racing familiarize themselves with the COR rules that are posted on the APBA web site and also on the COR web site before they launch into buying an engine or boat that does not comply with the rules that are "frozen" for the next two years. There are some major differences between the official COR rules and the Parker rules that the COR class runs under! Rod Zapf Cor Chairman

WALTHOLLIS's picture

Good point Rod and thanks for the call. The boat is bought and paid for, and I'll get the tape measure out when it arrives. Either way, its the type of boat I wanted, long before the idea of racing came about. Racing it was an added bonus, but I do understand that the rules are key to making this a competitive class.

- Walt

Capnzee88's picture

Tim, Dave, you guys are doing a "yeoman's" job of finding engines. Who says that 2.0's are scarce as "hen's teeth". You guys are pulling them out of the wood work--GREAT JOB OF FINDING AND POSTING! Anybody that really wants to go boat racing can certainly not find an excuse not to. We have the boats, engines, trailers at prices everyone can afford. This is truly what COR racing is all about! AFFORDABLE RACING!!!!

Capnzee88's picture

Roger Carr, our chief inspector will have the region scales at the Puddingstone race. Generally Foster Crane Service brings a crane capable of lifting the COR boats. Roger has offered to weigh our boats and will sign a COR weight registration in accordance with our rules. This would be a great opportunity for all of us to get a "leg-up" on the weight rules for 2012. I will have blank forms for all of the COR members. Rod Zapf, COR Chairman

3030's picture

The Steve Earle Memorial Regatta is going to take place this weekend, March 23, 24 & 25 at Puddingstone Res. in San Dimas.

Here is the link to view the race circular: http://www.apba-racing.com/races/steve-earle-memorial-puddingstone-regat...

There will be limited testing on Friday from 4:00 to 6:30 p.m. for those that will be arriving early.

3030's picture

The race from Puddingstone is being broadcast live on the web over at www.riverdavesplace.com this weekend March 24-25.

Capnzee88's picture

With 8 COR boats showing up at Puddingstone, we had a race that every one of us can be proud of. With boat 30 "stealing" the show with 3 first place finishes and a second, I would not be the one to "steal" his thunder by describing the races--I will "bow" to what I know will be an exciting and accurate description of the COR Puddingstone week-end by Mike Q --"take her away Mike!"

3030's picture

Overall an excellent showing and show was put on by the COR class. Starting with our newest member, The Flying Finn, who showed up with his recently put together Sleekcraft and showed he can really hang it out. Greg showed his skills with not only his solid driving and great corning abilities but also with a boat that performed well all weekend long. One biggest disappointment was disqualification of the Baker Rampage due to strict enforcement of the potential Quagga Mussel. Dampness in the hull from rain was enough for the local authorities who are trying to keep the lake clear. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quagga_mussel
The #45 Sleekcraft and #88 HST Hydrostream both showed-up re-powered and both showed significant speed increases. Skip Euwing and his beautifully running GMT emerged from the mechanical at the last Enduro 300 to run strong on Saturday. That boat is for sale and a great opportunity to pick-up a well prepared and competitive COR boat. The #05 Speedracer Starcraft put in a solid performance all weekend and showed strong top speed down the straights. The R&R Prop Shop #237 Stoker was running at the front of the pack, as always, but had a very unfortunate mechanical in the second heat of four. The #30 STV ran strong all weekend with the most exciting racing action taking place against the #88 boat on Sunday. Final results posted shortly. All, please add other happenings...

flying finn's picture

I wish to thank all the COR guys for all their help and advice last weekend. I was hard to work on a boat for almost 5 months, finish it the night before the race and race it the next day with ZERO time in the boat. Finding out my steering was reversed after launching for the first race was interesting. I tried to rethink my brain to make it work to at least start the race to no avail. Plus not knowing to push the key in while turning to activate the choke. My fellow COR mates helped me solve those problems. Since I have never seen a race here except for Parker, the start was a mystery to me. First race was sorting out the boat. I am glad I was not lapped. I was ready for Sunday but again the start was totally different. I was ready to cut into the inside for our 45 second line up, then I saw everybody hit the the gas and go. Again I was left in the wake. Then I was waiting for a second chance after 4 laps, but everybody just kept going! But after reviewing Sunday night "Wide World of Sports" telecast, they determined that you all jumped the gun and were penalized one lap. Therefore I was the winner. Better get some mirrors boys because I will be coming up on you soon.
Thanks,
Greg
The Flying Finn